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Tuesday, 26 August 2014

FAHRENHEIT: a 10-batches REVIEW

Posted on August 26, 2014 by niten








FAHRENHEIT by Christian Dior, is one of those scents that needs no introduction, being immensely popular worldwide, and still in production (since 1988). 
Fahrenheit was probably the first "conceptual" scent: this means the whole structure is turning around the feeling of something "burning". 
It happened due to a violet-leather accord, resulting in a sort of "gasoline" or "petroleum" top notes (the beginning of fire), concluding with a sort of "burnt woods smell" drydown (the ending of fire). Even the bottle reminds of a fire in the night. with a bottom colored in red-yellow, slowly changing in black in the upper part.
This "conceptual" view was, in fact, one of the most appreciate, discussed and controversial aspects at the time of launch.






"Woods Burning"
(thanks to Cornellpines.blogspot.com)


Obviously reformulations occurred in a such complex scent, during a 25-years span.
So, in this review, we collected our Fahrenheit bottles and did a comparative work. 
How did Fahrenheit change during the years? 
Follow us and discover it!
(For the "Fahrenheit visual guide", bottle-by-bottle, year-by-year, see HERE)


We are considering only the "classic" Fahrenheit perfume (during decades a lot of "flankers" appeared, Fahrenheit Absolute, Fahrenheit Summer, Fahrenheit Aqua, etc... but we are not considering them now)
We collected a total of 10 different EDT bottles during years 1993-2014
Here are the samples used:
Year 1993
Year 1995
Year 1996
                         Year 2001 (a 2ml sample)
Year 2004
Year 2007
Year 2011
Year 2012
Year 2013
Year 2014


The last three bottles were testers, kindly provided by our shop-owner friend, who lent us the back room for tests. Here are the bottles (for decoding "Christian Dior" batch-codes go here )



Batch 3608N = year 1993

Batch 5N103 = year 1995

Batch 6W183 = year 1996
(note the batch code printed on the cellophane. 
when you remove the cellophane, you lose the batchcode)

Batch 4L01 = year 2004
(note the short ingredients list "alcohol-fragrance-water", 
used until 2004-2005)

Batch 7H02 = year 2007
(there is the long ingredient-list on the side of the box) 

Batch 1Z01 = year 2011

Batch 2R01 = year 2012

Batch 3T02 = year 2013

Batch 4Q01 = year 2014



RESULTS

10 samples blind test

10-batches blind test



Basically there are 3 different versions coming out from the test. 
The first one dates until 2001 and it's the "strongest" of all, with clearly defined "gasoline" or "petroleum" notes, great "burnt woods" effect in the drydown, and greater longevity. All samples from 1993 until 2001 are pretty identical, so you could assume all Fahrenheit bottles between 1988 and 2001 are the same.

The second one could date roughly from 2004 until 2012  (no info available about years 2002 and 2003) and appears a bit watered-down. The gasoline/petroleum note is still present, but it (and the whole scent) appears weakened. Someone affirmed that there was a reformulation around year 2005 (during 2005 the box had minor changes). However, in my opinion all samples from 2004 until 2012 are pretty similar. Maybe (I repeat *maybe*) older samples have a bit more depth and richness, than newer ones; i.e.year 2004 sample appear a bit stronger and richer than the year 2012 one, but there are not so many differences. 
In a nutshell, year 2004-2012 Fahrenheit is the same perfume (if we compare it to the previous version), but appears to be weakened in depth and strenght.

The third one is "since 2013". it could be called "the Vanilla Fahrenheit". Since year 2013 Fahrenheit smells heavily different than before. There is a sort of  sweet, "vanilla" note. Personally I like it, but this is not the "classic" Fahrenheit anymore. The gasoline note disappeared almost completely, and, actually, it's more similar to another Fahrenheit "flanker". 
Interestingly, the batches produced during year 2013 and 2014 appear to be more similar (shifting towards) to the "Fahrenheit Parfum" version. 
Modern Fahrenheit is still a good scent, but we are considering an almost different scent retaining the same old name.


(please note: no bottles for sale. All bottles shown in this article come from private collections)


Original "vintage" Fahrenheit ,
with the "Red Planet" (or the "Burning Planet") box,
years 1988-2001



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ADDENDUM

During the first half of the Nineties, Missoni perfumes launched "Olympios", 
a scent that received plenty of critics because it appeared as "a Fahrenheit clone". 
Actually, Olympios is very similar -not identical- to vintage Fahrenheit. Olympios wasn't a huge success and today (2014) a few bottles can be found at cheap price. 
If you want to try something similar to "vintage Fahrenheit" but can't afford the high prices asked, you can give "Olympios" a try.  
On Basenotes you can find a few "Olympios" reviews written by customers, and everyone point out the similarity between the two scents.



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(September 2014 Update)
Following a few requests by “Fahrenheit” enthusiasts, another experiment was carried out.
How does the (vintage) After-Shave compare with the (vintage) Eau de Toilette?

In this experiment, vintage After-Shave (A-S, year 1997) and vintage Eau de Toilette (EdT, year 1993) were analyzed side-by-side, both on paper and skin.



Initially and for the first 20 minutes, on paper, both A-S and EdT show the same strength and intensity (oddly enough). It was almost impossible to distinguish between  EdT and A-S during first minutes.



Then After-Shave starts fading away, while the EdT continues to hold steadily.
A-S slowly contues to fade away after 2,4,6 hours.
After 8 hours, A-S is barely detectable on paper strip.
After 10 hours, A-S paper strip is “empty”. 
On the contrary, EdT, although faded, is still recognizable after 10 hours.



Of course, performances on skin are a different question, and you should “divide in half" times.
So, you can recognize both A-S and EdT (on your skin) as “identical” for just ten minutes; then A-S will disappear almost completely on your skin within 4 hours.

Keep in mind Fahrenheit is mainly a winter scent, so, during summer or in hot weather, you could miss the experience and find it disappointing.

There is a big difference between A-S and EdT in longevity, but if you want try the vintage “Fahrenheit experience” (gasoline, fires, burning woods, for at least 10 minutes!) well, you could try to find a vintage After-Shave bottle, since it's cheaper than an EdT one.

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Monday, 26 May 2014

How to recognize LANCOME perfumes.

Posted on May 26, 2014 by niten





Climat, Magie Noire, "O de Lancome", Trèsor....
LANCOME is one of the greatest French perfume houses, created in 1935 by Armand Petitjean, and got fame and prestige worldwide thanks to many celebrated perfumes.
How can we recognize and "put a date" on LANCOME perfumes?
It appears difficult, but -actually- it isn't.


Most of LANCOME products, since 1978, sport a "Copyright date" on the box, so, coupling it with the batch-code, the identification could be easier.

Other clues: 
-EMB code on the box appeared at the end of 1970s; 
-Bar-code since 1990; 
-Greendot since 1992.
As often happens, old and new boxes could have been used together for many years, so, if you want the "vintage", the best thing is to check the batch number.
And here the batch-code explained:


BATCH NUMBERS LIST:
(please note : since there are no official statements by Lancome, some minor mistakes could occur)
the MOST IMPORTANT digit is the second one from the left.

1982 = CAxx
1983 = CBxx
1984 = CCxx
1985 = CDxx
1986 = CExx
1987 = CFxx
1988 = CGxx
1989 = CHxx
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here the bar-code appears on the box
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1990 = CJxx  
1991 = CKxx
1992 = CLxx
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shifting to 5-digits
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1993 = CMxxx or UMxxx
1994 = CNxxx or UNxxx (letter O not used)
1995 = CPxxx or UPxxx (letter Q questionable)
1996 = CRxxx or URxxx
1997 = CSxxx or USxxx
1998 = CTxxx or UTxxx
1999 = CUxxx or UUxxx  
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switching from "C" to "U"
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2000 = UVxxx
2001 = UWxxx
2002 = UXxxx
2003 = UYxxx (UZ probably not used)
2004 = UAxxx
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here the long list of "ingredients" appears on the box
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2005 = UBxxx
2006 = UCxxx
2007 = UDxxx
2008 = 38Exxx
2009 = 38Fxxx
2010 = 38Gxxx
2011 = 38Hxxx
2012 = 38Jxxx
2013 = 38Kxxx
2014 = 38Lxxx

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Previously:

-GUERLAIN perfumes ( here ) -YVES SAINT LAURENT perfumes ( here ) - CHRISTIAN DIOR perfumes ( here ) - GIORGIO ARMANI Perfumes ( here ) -VAN CLEEF et ARPELS perfumes ( here ) - CHANEL perfumes ( here ) - BVLGARI perfumes ( here ) - HERMES perfumes ( here ) - VERSACE perfumes ( here ) - GIVENCHY perfumes ( here )- GUY LAROCHE perfumes (here) CACHAREL perfumes ( here )

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TUTORIAL PICS
(all pictures from Ebay unless otherwise specified )

"Climat", before 1980
no EMB code on the box


Trophèe Lancome, Copyright 1982,
batch CB3E = year 1983


"O de Lancome Intense", Copyright 1986
batch CExx = year 1986


"Climat", Copyright 1979, without barcode
batch CHxx = year 1990


"Magie Noire",
batch CKxx= year 1991

"Trophee Lancome"
batch CKxx = year 1991

"Trèsor",
batch CLxx = year 1992

Magie Noire, Copyright 1986,
batch CM3F = year 1993

"Climat", Copyright 1979, with barcode and greendot
batch CPxxx = year 1995

"O de Lancome", Copyright 1985,
batch CPxxx  = year 1996





"O de Lancome pour Homme"
batch URxxx = year 1996

O de Lancome, copyright 1995
batch CRxxx = year 1996

Poème,
batch CTxxx = year 1998


Climat, 
batch CUxxx = 1999

2000 et une Rose, 
batch UUxxx = year 1999

"O de Lancome", Copyright 1995
batch UWxxx = 2001

"Attraction",
batch UYxxx =  year 2003

Mille & une Rose
with the long list of ingredients, = after 2004


Magie Noire,
batch UCxxx = 2006

Benghal, Copyright 2006
batch UDxxx = 2007

38Exxx =  2008

38Fxxx = 2009

38Jxxx = year 2012

L'Autre Oud
batch 38Kxxx= 2013





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Friday, 11 April 2014

How to recognize GUY LAROCHE perfumes

Posted on April 11, 2014 by niten




Guy Laroche's notable perfumes are: Fidji (year 1966), L'Eau Folle (1970), Drakkar (1972), J'ai Osè (1977), Drakkar Noir (1982), Clandestine (1986), Horizon (1993). 
Most of  scents had the "copyright" indication, including the year ("Copyright Parfums Guy Laroche, year xxxx")


GUY LAROCHE BATCH CODES:

(since 1979: "EMB code" reported on the box. If
 you don't see the EMB code, it means "before 1979")
Then, you have to check the 2nd letter of the code.

1981    UAxx  or SAxx
1982    UBxx  or SBxx
1983    UCxx  or SCxx
1984    UDxx  
1985    UExx
1986    UFxx
1987    UGxx
1988    UHxx
1989    UJxx
(here the bar-code appears on the box) 
1990    UKxx
1991    ULxx
(changing address on the box
from:: "9, AVENUE MATIGNON" or "Rue Fg St. Honorè"
to: "16, PLACE VENDOME")
1992    UMxx
(here 5-digits batchcode begins)
1993    UNxxx 
1994    UPxxx
1995    UQxxx
1996    URxxx
1997    USxxx
1998    UTxxx
1999    UUxxx
2000    UVxxx
(changing distribution:
before year 2000: ditributed by "Cosmair";
since 2000: distributed by "LLC Luxury products")
2001    UWxxx
2002    UXxxx
2003    UYxxx  (UZ apparently not used)
2004    UAxxx
(here: the long list of ingredients appears on the box)
2005    UBxxx
2006    UCxxx
2007    UDxxx
2008    UExxx
2009    UFxxx
2010    UGxxx or 38Gxxx
2011    UHxxx or 38Hxxx



"Fidji" Parfum, early bottle

FIDJI advertisement year 1977
You can read the word "Paris" on the bottle
written in Script ("lowercase") letters

Fidji advertisement Year 1982. You can read the word "Paris" on the bottle
written in Capital ("uppercase") letters 


"J'Ai Osè", copyright 1977 (from Ebay)
Address "9, Rue Matignon"


"Fidji" Parfum
edition year 1984



"Fidji" Parfum, Copyright year 1984

Fidji Parfum
Copyright year 1984
batch UE1B = year 1985

"Fidji", copyright year 1984
Parfums et Beaute & Cie,  Rue Fg.St. Honorè

Fidji Parfum
batch UF1E = year 1986

Fidji Eau de Parfum
 Copyright Year 1984, Avenue Matignon
batch code UG1F = year 1987


Early "Drakkar Noir",
batch SB3E painted on the bottom =  year 1982

(notice the textures all over the box)

Early Drakkar Noir box and bottle,
batch SB3E = year 1982

(notice the textures all over the box)

(from Ville "Dofa91", Basenotes)
Typical Drakkar Noir box
 first edition (1981-1988)

(from Ville "Dofa91", Basenotes)
Drakkar Noir bottle, with unusual batch MHID = probably year 1988

(from Ville "Dofa91", Basenotes)
Typical Drakkar Noir box, first edition (1981-1988)
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DRAKKAR NOIR apparently had 7 different boxes
year 1981, year 1989, year 1996, year 1998
year 1999, year 2004, year 2010

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"Clandestine", batch UFAG = year 1986


Fidji
batch UGxx = year 1987

Drakkar Noir, address "9 Avenue Matignon" (until 1991)
"copyright Parfums Guy Laroche 1989"
batch UKxx = year 1990

Horizon , batch UM193 = year 1993 
NEW address 16 Place Vendome (since 1992)
(first time with 5-digits batchcode)

Horizon
batch UM193 = year 1993

 (first time with 5-digits batchcode)


(from Ebay ) Drakkar Noir,
copyright "Parfums Guy Laroche, 1996"

(from Ebay) Drakkar Noir
batch UU105 = year 1999

Drakkar Noir,
typical Guy Laroche box, year 1998


"Fidji" with short list of ingredients on the box
distributed by Cosmair( = before year 2000)


(from Ebay) Fidji
After 2005 with "long list of ingredients" on the box


Drakkar Noir
year 2010 (on left) and year 2004 (on right)
Drakkar Noir, year 2004



Drakkar Noir
year 2010


Drakkar Noir
batch 38H201 = year 2011


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Previously:


-GUERLAIN perfumes ( here )


-YVES SAINT LAURENT perfumes ( here )


-CHRISTIAN DIOR perfumes ( here )


-GIORGIO ARMANI Perfumes ( here )


-VAN CLEEF et ARPELS perfumes ( here )


-CHANEL perfumes ( here )


-BVLGARI perfumes ( here )


-HERMES perfumes ( here )


-VERSACE perfumes ( here )


-GIVENCHY perfumes ( here )
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